a yogi, an avatar, or both?
Did Jesus study in
“Yes, he studied
in India. He went to the Himalayas in India and he did tapas there for
Did Jesus get
shaktipat (spiritual initiation) from John the Baptist?
“He was the one
who made him sit in meditation. That took place in the Himalayas.”
Not the River Jordan
in Israel, then? The Gospels say St. John taught in Israel.
could write something else.”
Is Christ the atma
“Christ is a
yogi and a yogi has a number of souls, not just one. He has a number of
Did Jesus teach
meditation for everyone. People from all religions used to come to Christ.
He taught meditation to all of them. After Christ the spiritual leaders did
not allow that to happen. They stamped that out. Astral bodies, bhajans and
meditation, all these same things happened even during the time of Christ.
Christ started spreading this same type of meditation. He also started bhava
samadhi and trance through astral bodies and bhajans. Not everyone liked
what he was doing. Some people and the religious leaders did not like it and
they were jealous of him. So they complained to the king about Jesus.”
had taught and preached, that’s exactly what Swamiji teaches and preaches.
So automatically people will start believing more in Christ and they will
follow the path of Christ.”
that Jesus intentionally came to be crucified. Is that not correct?
“It was a very
wrong thing that happened to him.”
teaches that it was all planned that way.
“What the people
in power did at that time was wrong. When the public complained about Jesus
to the rulers, even that was wrong. Jesus came to serve the country and the
people. The religious leaders were trying to create the impression that he
was trying to harm the country. Despite whatever justification you may argue
to me, what has happened is wrong. You could explain it a hundred different
ways. It still would not make what happened right.”
to Jesus was a plan. The religious leaders who were in power at that time
did not like Jesus. So they devised a plan to catch him in some way and get
was not the natural death for Jesus. It was before his time. Because Christ
was a yogi he could still attain his goal despite losing his body. He could
still serve the people. After Christ died and lost his body, he still
fulfilled his mission and got the people onto the right path. He achieved
his goal after he lost his body through his atma [soul or spirit].
Christ put the people on the right path. The religious leaders tried to lead
the people away from the right path.”
Was Jesus’ death a
part of destiny then?
“When you say
destiny you mean what God willed, right? God would never will like that. If
God really wanted Christ to be crucified then how could Christ have been so
successful? Christianity has survived for two thousand years. It has spread
all over the world. Why do you think Christ has been so successful even
though he was crucified? It is because his spirit worked to complete his
mission. How could his spirit work if God willed that Christ should die?”
“Christ became a
yogi and the people killed him. He became an avatar after he lost his body
and finished his mission to teach you a lesson. Christ was a yogi but after
he left his body he became an avatar.”
Did Jesus or the
other yogis know beforehand that they would be killed?
knew or did not know, it did not matter to them. They could still finish
their work whether they had their bodies or not. The death of the body is
not a really big thing for them. They did not care about it.”
Swamiji, would you
comment on the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Did it take place in history
and what happened at the resurrection?
“Christ came as
an avatar after he lost his body. He is a yogi. He came in his astral body
and did service for the people.”
I’ve heard that in
the time of Buddha, he taught vipasana meditation. Supposedly he
taught it to people who came to him.
Swamiji is teaching right now, Buddha was teaching the same thing. Buddha
talked about samadhi.”
the same meditation as the Buddha taught.”
“Buddha had to
suffer a lot while doing tapas. In the same way people made Swamiji suffer,
in the same way Buddha was made to suffer during his tapas. Swamiji was from
a poor family and he was used to work. He used to work all day even as a
child. He used to do business and earn money to support his family. So being
a hard-working man, he didn’t feel the hardship that much. But for Buddha
who was the son of an emperor and had lived in a palace, for him, the
suffering was very hard. Before Buddha started tapas, he really didn’t know
what suffering was. Then he had to suffer really hard.”